Challenge - 80's Cartoons

[transitoryspace]

ADMIN NOTE: This challenge is set up by a user and as such was not set up run or organised by any admin or mods here at mudboxhub.


Hi All,


This challenge is about 80's cartoons. USA or any other country. Anything from people, vehicles, to buildings creatures etc.

Rules:
1. Year 88-90 is off limits due to it being to close the the 90's and most series continuing onto the next decade. (aka. No Simpsons)
2. No use of old mesh. Start fresh!
3. Texturing is not a requirement.
4. You can post your wip but post in the wip section of the forum
5. Base mesh must be 3rd party. So no use of mudbox starting point meshes.
6. Render must be in 3rd Party 3D app so no mudbox screengrab.
7.Multiple project submission is fine but follow submission guidelines.
8. Post processing is fine. (aka photoshop etc)

Submission:
Post ONE mudbox turntable video in 1280 x 720 in quicktime
Post TWO final shots in 1280 x 720 resolution. NO JPG!

Final submission in this thread only.


Since this forum does NOT accept high res pics/video in minimal compression upload to these and link. (Hope this changes sometime soon)

Image Uploaders
http://imageshack.us/
http://tinypic.com/

Video Uploaders
http://www.youtube.com/
http://vimeo.com/

Reference:
http://www.80scartoons.net/
http://www.tripletsandus.com/80s/cartoons.htm

GOOGLE: 80's cartoons

START DATE: THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHO USERS SHOULDNT DO UNLESS CONTACTING ADMINS please read entire thread for more information

Have fun playin in the mud!

[-TOXIC-]

We do appreciate people starting things up and I'm going to sound like a grump but please ask permission on challenges you never know what is being planned for the future.

[Wayne]

Ok one little tip:

ASK FIRST.


Do not just take it upon yourself when you do not know what may or may not be planned for the future. Its also been tried on no less than 3 occasions and each time it bombs due to lack of participation.

The only person allowed to make rules of any sort on this board is me..end of (As I alone pay the bills for this place.) A number of those rules exclude a lot of artists both experinced and non experienced, I can tell you of 3 top line sculptors who cannot set up a render in a 3rd party app. Disallowing the mudbox base meshes also isn't a good idea as many people starting out use them a lot....it also discounts people who may not have a lot of time due to work commitments to make a bespoke base mesh for a challenge.

No JPG's?? huh?? unless its something to be used in print etc there is zero need for that...plus not everyone is on a fast connection that is a member here. Also the allowing people to link large images wont change as it would eat up bandwidth like lightning. JPEGs are enough for qany user submitted image.

So in future please dont start things like this up without asking 1st as although it is appretiated you aren't party to anything already planned for the future of this board. It is also not the 1st challenge nor is it something thats been ok'd by us so I've changed the subject line acccordingly. A quick email or IM costs nothing and is only polite.


Wayne...

[Groen]

I did ask. See other thread.
May we please do this challenge?

[VexX_81]

We'll come straight to you next time.
I also assumed it was ok after the moderator stating.....

"Come up with a set of rules that everyone agrees with plus times, myself or other mods/admins will stay out of it unless either asked for help or we think that there are problems that need for us to do so."

If Wayne gives his blessing......

I would change the no JPG rule and the final render in 3rd party app rule as well. It'll save bandwidth and not having to re-setup the scene again would also save some time.

I see Wayne's point about having people use the Mudbox base meshes as well. My concern was that I just didn't want someone pulling out this GI Joe base model they started 2 years ago, while everyone else has only 2weeks to sculpt.

Anyhow, if we're given a green light, the proper adjustment can be made and we'll go from there.

[transitoryspace]

I AM SORRY!

But in the other thread i saw this

At the moment at least I'd suggest come up with a set of rules yourselves, its for fun after all., it may even be a way ahead for the challenge area. Come up with a set of rules that everyone agrees with plus times, myself or other mods/admins will stay out of it unless either asked for help or we think that there are problems that need for us to do so.


so i figured it was okay.
I also stated

...Also if many people have a problem with a certain rule/guideline lets chat over here and we can change it accordingly...

I said no jpg because i dont like looking at compressed pictures. BUT you do have a point of slow internet connection.

As for 3rd Party renders i do agree with you on that. I just figured we'd use the forum for help on setting it up. You know "teach a person to fish", get them educated. I was going to do a mudbox - lightwave tutorial aswell. And try to help out with other 3rd party software

on the faq i didnt see anything about upcoming challenges or if we couldnt create our own, so i again i thought it was okay.
http://www.mudboxhub.com/forum/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_usage#faq_vb3_forums_threads _posts


I like helping people. But i dont want to get in trouble for doing so. So sorry if i broke the rules and didnt message you about this.

so sorry to wayne
sorry to admins/mods.

Questions...
So everytime i start a thread i must message you and get permission or does this only apply to challenges.?
Will there ever be a real challenge from wayne/staff?

[lovingsaskia]

This is probably my fault to be honest as I was expecting this to be a fun contest between members and was not expecting this thread. As far as future comps go, as Wayne says please PM him or one of the other admin/ mods or myself and if me I'll check with Wayne to make sure he hasn't got anything planned.

Again sincere appologies for any miss understandings

Allan

[-TOXIC-]

I did one around Halloween last year and it flopped the section was added because it was requested and hardly ever got used. My advice if you do challenges my one advice don't handicap people it's not fair to the beginners not everybody is able to use 3rd party apps etc.

[transitoryspace]

I did one around Halloween last year and it flopped the section was added because it was requested and hardly ever got used. My advice if you do challenges my one advice don't handicap people it's not fair to the beginners not everybody is able to use 3rd party apps etc.


I know that now, but my whole goal was if people didnt know how to take it into a 3rd party app we could help them. I was going to help people with lightwave, modo and maybe cinema 4d. So i wasnt really going to handicap them. look at my previous posts. i try to help out or do some video help/semi-tutorial. After all isnt this a community to help people out.

But if this is about mudbox and just mudbox ill keep any 3rd party app out. sorry.again.

[Groen]

Hi.

a Suggestion.
Seeing as this is mudboxhub... when we do have a challenge why dont we post a basemesh on the internet and that base is used for a challenge. Seeing as this is a sculpting application, maybe a challenge should consist of the app's abilities.

If everyone uses the same base mesh, judging would we easier.

My 2 cents.

[Shawry]

I like the pre-made base mesh idea for future mudbox Hub challenges, that would keep it even, or even have 2 different base meshes to mix it up..

As for this entire thred..

I think everyone gets it now.. and if you guys haven't got approval to do your challenge by now, now that they all know about it, your probably not going to get it at all.. Perhaps it would be better for a Admin or Moderator to take part of wayne's post above and outline the challenge / setting up - rules in the MudBoxHub rules thread if they're not there already.. ( i can't remember seeing them there but i could have quite easily missed it. )

That way to avoid any future mis-interpretation.
and then maybe delete this thread, forum fights usually don't stop and go back n forth back n forth etc.. and "Mudbox Hub" is much better than that.

So lets all, just get back to sculpting, and im sure a official challenge will pop up when everyone is good and ready, now that there seems to be more interest.. but granted the others did flop.

Hakuna Matata ! lol

[VexX_81]

This started out fun and exciting, but I don't even really want to take part in it any more. The simple fun of a couple guys doing some sculpts for the love of it has been sucked right out. I've been reading previous posts referring to this as a competition, but beyond the title of the thread no one is walking away with anything more than some new friends, maybe a few tips, and the same horse that they rode in on. A moderator ok'd it, active members provided their inputs on rules and guidelines, and now this simple cardboard box has become a hierarchical rubix cube. COUNT ME OUT!
I'm going through the toughest situation in my life and have no time for issues that when put up against my fiance being a missing Contractor in Afghanistan for the past 7 days...... stand firmly on the boarders of triviality.

I'll just watch the tutorials that I happily pay for and continue to keep to myself.
Have fun or atleast try to.

[Groen]

Sorry to hear that dude. I cant say i know what thats like.

But surely we can challenge each other without it being an official challenge?
Would it be cool if we create a thread like "User created challenge" and then do a friendly challenge amognst ourselves?

[transitoryspace]

@VexX_81
Sorry to hear that. But i feel you. After all of this, i dont feel like doing this anymore(well i kinda already started something of my own but will make it something different)
And i checked the faq before posting. I NEVER saw it there.
I think this thread is a pure example of what users shouldnt do.

ps hope things turn for the better for you and your family.

@Groen
Im up for something if your game.
Should we looking for a different forum or maybe ask a mod/admin if its okay to post here. kinda afriad of starting a new thread of any kind now due to a fear ban or a hard scolding

[-TOXIC-]

The main issue here was the wording which made this challenge sound official. Nobody has a problem with a friendly challenge.

[Groen]

Well if that is the case, change the naming so we can get a friendly challenge going.

[Wayne]

OK for clarification:


The problem was the wording and it coming across as an offical challenge. Friendly challenges between members are fine. The guidelines for setting up a user challenge are easy ones that hopefully make sense. Firstly mudbox must be its main focus (as this is mudbox hub after all) although other apps are allowed. Secondly try to make it of broad appeal to users and not too 'niche'. They must of course obey all rules of this board. Also encourage users to link to their images offsite where they can (that helps a lot on bandwidth usage). Please notify myself or a mod / admin to ensure that there's nothing similar in the pipeline as if a big chalange was coming and a lot of planning had went into it.....well you get the picture.

You should all know me well enough by now to know that I never give advance warnings of anything going up be it an app, plug-in, dvd, video etc.... So the same would happen for any challanges or competitions. (This goes for mods as well by the way...they are often not notified until hours beforehand..mainly as I have to use whatever small hole I have in my working hours to arrange and put stuff up. As I've been working 14-18 hours a day every day this year except one...you see my pooint hopefully)


Wayne...

[Groen]

We understand.

Oh and you pm box is full. Cannot send you messages.

Anyhow. Rest of you dudes, are we going to reword this and get a friendly thing going?

[transitoryspace]

if admin can
otherwise im going to have to do it later tonight when i get off work

[Groen]

Transit, im game... im going of still doing the whole 80's cartoon thing.
But we can start over, i would just really like to finish this dinorider thing.
Its a great learning experience

[PoopaScoop]

The whole No JPG makes me think this competition is just someone trying to get some free work for printing or advertising. Yeah, I may be wrong but that’s how it sounds, as the only reason, as mentioned, for not using jpg is for printing.
Not to mention it's a given that people, (especially artists) will not submit their work with noticeable compression!!

I need convincing.

Aren't cartoon characters mainly geometrical in nature? Probably not the greatist subject for a sculpting application...

[Shawry]

I think its pretty save to say this challenge is dead in the water now... the whole Jpeg thing was just an innocent rule going for best quality, i doubt it had a hidden agenda..

The 80's idea is great, challenges are ment to be fun, doesn't matter if they are drawn symmetrical, im sure the artist could improve on the character design. There are lots of fantastic characters from the 80's..

Not everything in the Sculpting world has to be serious and anatomically realistic. Cartoon characters are fun and easy.. =)

[transitoryspace]

@PoopaScoop
please read entire thread before posting.
if you did you would notice the whole JPG thing was talked about.
This is more of an example of what not to do as it causes problems.
I just didnt have a reason to change it.

And NO!!!!! i wasnt going to use this for printing reasons. I already said why i choose jpg.

also 80's cartoons werent choosen for difficulty. they were chosen because people wanted to...they like it...after all you do better work when you work on something you like.

[PoopaScoop]

transitoryspace
Don't expect people to read through the entire thread to decipher what couldn't make clear in your first post. Update the first post as required...

Don't get me wrong I'm sure it would be fun creating 80's cartoony characters. My opinion, and original point was pertaining to the creation process and how sculpting would be utilised on such simple designs by nature. I just feel that mudbox may not be the most suitable tool for creating geometry based object. That's obviously base on if people stay true to the original design.

I'm up for the challenge to prove myself wrong! So enough with all the morbid comments I see lying around and fire it up already!!
Don't let anyone, especially me, derail you so easily.

http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2008/12/08/the-10-best-80s-cartoon-theme-songs/


"And NO!!!!! " < No need for all the defensive posturing guys, everyone’s aloud their own opinion even if it's not your own.

[VexX_81]

transitoryspace
Don't expect people to read through the entire thread to decipher what couldn't make clear in your first post. Update the first post as required...

Don't get me wrong I'm sure it would be fun creating 80's cartoony characters. My opinion, and original point was pertaining to the creation process and how sculpting would be utilised on such simple designs by nature. I just feel that mudbox may not be the most suitable tool for creating geometry based object. That's obviously base on if people stay true to the original design.

I'm up for the challenge to prove myself wrong! So enough with all the morbid comments I see lying around and fire it up already!!
Don't let anyone, especially me, derail you so easily.

http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2008/12/08/the-10-best-80s-cartoon-theme-songs/


"And NO!!!!! " < No need for all the defensive posturing guys, everyone’s aloud their own opinion even if it's not your own.


Don't give yourself so much credit. Things were warming up about to take flight and then the big guns shot this puppy down. Before anything should or can be done, Wayne has to give his blessing.

Also, I really don't think you're taking into account the large array of characters in the 80's or artistic freedom and interpretation when you say, "My opinion, and original point was pertaining to the creation process and how sculpting would be utilised on such simple designs by nature."

My old drawing Professor would always say, "There's no such thing as boring subjects, just boring artists."

You can go from Characters as simple as Snorks and Smurfs to technical works like Voltron and Transformers or more detailed characters like GI Joe and Dino Riders, and so forth. There's a ton to choose from in the 80's.
Depending on the persons available time could also decide what type of character you choose and level of presentation. I find that as a plus.

[Groen]

So tell me people. Am i the only one still working on this challenge? Or are there other lurkers doing something on this?

[transitoryspace]

@VexX_81
thanks

@Groen
currently im working on a pacman scene.
but its more of a whole scene and not really about scuplting.
was thinking of doing one though
but nothing stops you from finishing the dino rider. looks great so far bud.
cant wait till its done..

[Groen]

Got the same thing going in the sense of a scene. Not focusing on just a model. But a few things. Got some cliffs sculpted in Mudbox, trees, will be sculpting the ground surface tonight... hopefully

[PoopaScoop]

Wayne already said it was ok for user to do challenges between them selves, so why the waiting?! Just becuase of the initiual confusion? If this is still going ahead please put a start date.

VexX_81 "There's no such thing as boring subjects, just boring artists"
Inspiring words, but "anything is possible".


Groen, I intend on doing a quick sculpt, I'll post my progress here. I suggest everyone who’s in does the same...

[Hulahuga]

* <------------------- this is me eating popcorn....

Seriously though come on guys....

[Groen]

ok. monday we start ?

[PoopaScoop]

Groen ok Monday we start.
Groen how long do you want to run it for? 1 month? I think as monday falls on the 3rd of May we should make the end date the 3rd of June. You good with that?

[Groen]

Hi.
Yes im good with that.

[m0_joe]

Alright just skimmed this thread. (I know I am 2 weeks late), Basically, 80's cartoon interpretation using Mudbox for primary sculpting. That's it right? As for presentation, well I understnad that Wayne would rather it off site to save bandwidth, but anything goes right? (no simpson's don't worry). Honestly, I have been watching Thundercats lately so yeah there you go.